“Criminal do not deserve security”: Sabino
The General-Secretary of Democratic Party (PD), Mariano Sabino said that Mari Alkatiri is a criminals and doesn’t deserve to have tight security in instances such as when the Fretilin party went to the District of Ermera for their consolidation. He said security is for the entire population and not just for leaders only, he told STL at Hotel Dili on Monday. He added,
“Mari was afraid and that’s why he had security from UNPOL, GNR and the Pakistani forces because it was from his incompetence and the distribution of guns to civilians that made this crises escalate.” (STL
President of Partido Democrático (PD) Fernando Lasama reportedly said UNPOL is already discriminating in relation to security by providing security to Mari Alkatiri who is no longer the Prime Minister. Lasama wants to know why so many numbers of UNPOL provided security to Alkatiri during a political activity in the District of Gleno. He said if that is the case then he
would request UNPOL for security for PD political campaign but stressed that if his party would ask for security it would create a perception among the community that leaders are scared of their own people. Therefore, he asked UNMIT to look into this matter as it is not appropriate. He said that if this is the case then all parties are entitled to security and not only
Fretilin. President of PMG, Hermenegild “Kupa” Lopes said his party considers the actions of the police discriminatory because Mari Alkatiri is not a member of the government or the prime minister. He said the government is also responsible for not removing the assets still used by Mari like the house he is staying, the car and the bodyguards. (DN, STL)
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The courts decided to throw out the criminal case regarding Mari Alkitiri and arming of civilians. There was no evidence to support these allegations. So to Mariano Sabino.... Get your facts straight!! That is old news!
REPORTER: You provide the trucks to bring them in to town. PD is involved in organising the transport to bring these people into town.
FERNANDO ARAUJO, OPPOSITION LEADER: For demonstrations this is the people's right. If they burn house, this is a crime, they should be arrested. It's not my responsibility.
Iha intervista iha Dateline, reporter husu ba Fernando Lasama kona ba ema balu iha protesto nebe organisa husi PD involve iha sunu uma.
Fernando Lasama Presidente PD nian dehan que ne accao criminal ida. Entaun, se maka organisa Demo tenki controla ema nebe nia lori mai Dili ba halo Demo. Se ema tuir Demo nee halo crime entaun organisador sira tenki responsabiliza. Tamba rai democratico fo direito ba ema organisa mais tenki responsibilza e controla Demo. Democrasia la fo direito para iha demo nia laran sunu uma tun sae.
Se PD la consegue controla ema nebe nia lori mai Dili ba halo Demo hanusa nia bele ukun rai ida?
Nudar Timor oan no Joven ida hau husu ba maluk PD sira para iha conciensia ba sira nia hahalok deit. Hau espera que PD bele contribui ba ita nia Democrasia ho Maturidade e lalika kolia arbiru.
Se Mariano Sabino maka advogado ida nia mos bele reconhece que la iha provas para lori caso Mari nian ba Tribunal bele iha Portugal, no bele tuir systema Amerika no Australia nian.
Favor dala ida taan, PD bele iha maturidade tamba hanesan Partido jovem nian ita precisa kria mentalide ke iha maturidade.
Tanba deit laiha evidensia la signifika katak Mari la sala ba kazu fahe kilat ba sivil sira. Iha mundu raiklaran kriminozu hirak mak lao livre hela tanba SEIDAUK hetan evidensia atu tau sira iha komarka?? Resposta: Barak liu!!
Uluk Mari PM hela nia rasik dehan hatene buat hotu. Bainhira krize akontese no krime boot fahe kilat ba sivil mosu nia sai fali beik no lahatene buat ida??
Ida nee so ema matan delek no maufaak sira mak bele fiar...
Problema ida seluk mak nee: Komisaun Independente UN nian halo rekomendasaun atu halo investigasaun klean liutan ba kazu Mari nian, maibe investigasaun klean ida nebe mak prokurador malai ida halo ba Mari??
Keta prokurador malai nee mos ladun iha vontade atu ke klean liutan atu hetan evidensia nebe mak iha. Hau sente nia mos lakohi halo nia moris susar karik hetan duni evidensia sira nee. Ba nia diak liu finji deit investiga atu labele hetan buat ida hodi ikus bele arkiva deit kazu nee.
Lolos Procuradoria Geral devia kontrata tim profesional investigasaun sira ho naran boot no esperiensia tinan barak atu mai halao investigasaun ida nee. Hanesan nee karik sei bele hetan evidensia lolos katak maske Mari la fahe kilat ho nia liman rasik maibe nia hatene plano ida nee.
Biar nune, Mari hatudu ona katak nia laiha kapasidade atu tur iha PM nia fatin.
Tanbasa mak hau hakerek hanesan nee?? Tanba antes krize akontese nia hatene buat hotu maibe PRESIZAMENTE iha krize laran bainhira PM ida TENKE hatene buat hotu-hotu atu bele kontrola situassaun no evita terus ba povu Mari sai beik tiha no husik terus nee mosu ba povu. Ba sa krimi fahe kilat ba sivil mai husi nia ministru ida?
Nia sai beik tiha ona dala ida hodi lahatene saida mak akontese iha rai laran maske nia, nudaar PM, nia mak responsavel politiku boot liu ba nassaun Timor.
Se loos mak bele garante katak aban bainrua nia sei la sai beik fila-fali hanesan nee hodi lakonsege kontrola situasaun no permite ita nia rai no povu atu terus dala ida tan?
Se mak bele hatan ida nee?
Hau laiha buat ida kontra Mari Alkatiri maibe hau labele simu katak tanba deit PM ida lahatene buat buat nebe akontese iha rai laran povu mak tenke terus. Ba hau liafuan "la hatene" bele sai defeza diak ida atu labele tama komarsa maibe mos sai ezemplu boot ida katak ema nee laiha kapasidade atu tuur iha kadeira PM nian.
Maun kolia ho base emocional e la kolia sobre o realidade situasaun iha Timor Leste.
Facto ida nebe importante comisaun investigasaun ne rasik mos lahetan provas contra Mari. Hau concorda que Comisaun investigasaun ida nebe husi ONU recomenda investigasaun ida sobre conhecemento Mari nian ba caso fahe kilat e se nia iha responsabilidade criminal ka lae. Nota didiak tamba investigasaun dehan klaru ke Mari la fahe kilat no mos sira la hetan prova que Mari hatene que iha fahe kilat sira so iha deit especulasaun deit nune sira recomenda investigasaun. Se UN la hetan prova enatun ita bele investiga to 10 o 20 anos no mos lori ema capasidade liu Comisarios ne mos la hetan provas tamba acusasoes barak laiha base.
Se ita usa base legal, importante liu liu maka liafuan Rai Los nian. Iha tribunal caso Rogerio nian Rai Los rasik mos dehan Mari la iha involvimento iha fahe kilat. Entaun esclaresamentu Rai Los nian hamate ona posibilidade nebe que procurador geral bele lori caso ne ba oin.
Se maun kolia sobre comisaun investigasaun nee hau hakarak fo ita nia atensaun ba Maun Lasamama nia bosok ke akontese masacre ida iha Tasi Tolu. Investigasaun Conisau nian nee hetan FFDTL la oho ema 60 e tal iha Tasi Tolu.
Competensia Mari ba Primeiro Ministro fali laos kompetensia hau nian no maun nian mais ne hela iha liman CCF FRETILIN nian. Como FRETILIN mos laiha competensia para dehan se PD lori ba oin Fernando ka Mariano Sabino hanesan sira nia lideransa, tuir hau nia opiniaun nein rua nee iha kapasidade hanesan lider, nune hau hakarak PD sibuk ho nia aan rasik tamba PD maufaak maka barak.
Diak, maibe hau nia argumentu iha leten iha parte rua.
1- konsidera posibilidade katak nia (Mari) iha konesimentu konaba asaun hosi nia ministru laos ida maibe 2(Rogerio no Roque)fahe kilat ba ema sivil hodi nune komete krime grave ida hasoru nasaun no povu, maibe nia lahalo buat ida atu hapara ida nee.(karik tauk Rogerio no Roque ka razaun seluk).
Biar Railos dehan katak Mari la envolve iha PROSESU fahe kilat maibe ne la signifika katak Mari lahatene buat ida konaba krime nee bainhira prosesu nee lao hela. Konaba posibilidade ida nee tenke halao investigasaun ida loloos ho profesionalismu laos naran deit maibe ho ema nebe esperiensia tinan barak ona halo ida nee. (investigador profesional internasional sira ho naran boot, forensics, Polygraph tests, etc,etc)
So nune mak bele hetan duni resultadu kredivel ida katak Mari, nudaar PM, hatene ka lahatene duni krime nebe nia ministru sira halo.
2- Karik nia lahatene duni katak nia ministru sira halao krime nee, nafatin nia hatudu ona nia imkompetensia nudaar PM iha nasaun ida. Tanba PM ida tenke asume responsabilidade ba nia governasaun tuir nia asaun ka omisaun.
Iha krize nee, tanba derepenti nia matan delek no tilun diuk tiha hodi lahatene krime sira nee (maske nia sempre defende too ikus katak situasaun iha hela nia kontrolo okos) krize boot mosu no fo terus ba povu.
Hau sei husu nafatin hau nia pergunta. Se mak bele garante katak derepenti deit nia sei la "matan delek no tilun diuk" dala ida tan bainhira krize oan ruma mosu iha loronaban karik nia atu sae fali PM?
Hau kompreende katak Fretilin mesak mak bele determina nia kandidatu ba PM, nee duni hau nia komentariu nee laos ba CCF Fretilin maibe ba povu kiik sira hanesan atan hau bainhira atu ba vota iha hilin presidensial no lejislativu.
Kona fali ba ema seluk nia kapasidade atu sai PM ka lae ita bele halo deit espekulasaun. Sira atu sai duni PM diak ka lae ita seidauk bele hatene loloos tanba sira seidauk hetan oportunidade hodi hatudu saida loos mak sira bele halo.
Maibe konaba Mari Alkatiri, ita hetan ona nia nudaar PM ba tinan 4 no iha tiha ona ezemplu barak konaba nia kapasidade ka inkapasidade atu kaer pozisaun PM nian. Ezemplu ka "test" boot ida mak krize foin lalais nee.
Konaba ida nee idaidak mak bele analiza ninia dezempenhu iha tinan 4 laran no hasai nia konklusaun rasik.
(Ema ida servisu hanesan guarda seguransa no nia mak responsavel atu tau matan ba loja ida.
Kalan ida durante nia oras servisu nia dukur tiha no ema nauk moos sasaon iha loja laran.
Dadersan loja nain mai no haree katak nia sasan ema nauk moos.
Seguransa nee kala sei dehan nia lahatene naukteen mai no nauk sasan tomak, maibe hau sente katak loja nain mak sei labele konfia tan nia.)
Ba maun nia pontu 1.
Maun kolia nee laiha logica. Porque Maun kolia ho pre contexto ida que Mari iha involvimneto iha fahe kilat. Hanesan hau dehan ita tenki kolia tuir base legal entaubn tenki tuir base legal ida. Kuando ema komite krime ida ita apresenta ba Procurador Geral ho testamunhas (iha caso nee Rai Los nian), e evidensias. Iha caso Mari nian iha tetemunha principal maka Rai Los, e evidensia nebe ke bele lori Mari ba Tribunal fraku ou laihiha. Para halo investigasaun Procurador Geral tenki iha evidensia ida forte para bele lori investigasaun ida nee ba forensics ou polygraph. Para iha forensics nee buat ida kee bele usa ba crime ida hanesan violasaun (rape) ou oho ema (murder, violasaun ho rape usa forensics mais ba acusasaun Mari nee buat ida ke forensics la resolve. Kona ba polygraph nee buat ida usa kuando iha evidensia physical ida ke agora ita bele usa polygraph para enforca deit se ema ida kolia los ka sala. Entaun maun nia preocupasaun ba investigasaun nebe ke Procurador halo ba caso Mari nee buat ida ita bele prosecusaun politica e laos significa justica ida nebe ita buka. Hau hanoin tau polygraph ba Rai Los diak liu para hare Rai Rols kolia sala ou kolia sala, se sala ita bele troca nia naran ba Rai Sala tamba nia lia fuan iha conflitos barak ke labele sustenta iha tribunal ida, bele iha timor, australia ka amerika. Hau bele dehan ke iha Australia ka america caso Mari nian mos la to tribunal por caso falte evidensia e testamunha frako.
Crise 2006 ne krise politico ke iha sala geral. Mais crise acontece tamaba crise nee fabricado ida para halo problemas iha rai laran hau acho que se PM Howard maka PM Timor nia mos hetan dificil atu resolve. Saida maka improtante e que ita bele aprende ho crise nee. E PD bele usa aconticimentos ne ba sira nia politica contra FRETILIN Mari mais so povo maka fo confianca. Bele ema matenek ka beit se Povo hili nia nein PD ka FRETILIN mos bele troca. Nune Hau nia lia fuan maka nee, se Mari maka sai PM fali ne Povo maka fo direito ida nee.
Ita hein tok. Hau so hkarak ema respeita malu iha eleisaun e respeita resultado especialmente ba maluk PD sira ke precisa aprende democrasia.
Hau senti ita boot ladun komprende saida deit mak "forensics science" nee envolve bainhira ita hatete
katak forensics nee bele usa (deit?) ba krime "rape" ka "murder".
"Forensics" katak siencia ida nebe fahe ba area barak no uza atu halibur evidensia oinoin ba objetivu legal ida.
Iha:
"Forensic accounting"
"forensic anthropology"
"forensic economics"
"forensic engeneering"
"forensic epistemology"
"forensic linguistics"
"forensic psychology no psychiatry"
"forensic biology"
"forensic serology", etc,etc
Konaba Railos nudaar sasin prinsipal, nee loos duni ba akusasaun nebe Railos rasik halo.
Maibe, ba kazu ida hanesan ida nee, nebe kona ba ministru ida (ka rua) halo krimi fahe kilat ba sivil kualker investigasaun ida tenke buka tuir kedas "role" ka papel saida deit mak nia superior sira no ema seluk halao iha krimi ida nee.
Iha kazu ida nee Mari mak hanesan nia superior tanba nia mak responsavel politiku boot liu iha governu ida nia laran, katak nia mak PM.
Nunee, mesmuke Railos la halo akuzasaun ba Mari, kualker investigasaun ida tenke buka karik Rogerio nia superior (PM)hatene ka lahatene krime nebe nia halo.
Karik lahatene tebes entaun nia laiha duni responssabilidade legal ba krime nee. Maibe karik nia hatene katak krime nee halao hela no nia la kumpre nia dever atu buka evita ka impede krime nee nia mos iha responssabilidade kriminal (criminal responsibility by omission).
Konaba polygraph, hau sente diak atu aplika ba ema hotu2. Atu Mari ka, Railos ka, Xanana ka Ramos Horta ka hanesan deit tanba objetivu hosi test nee mak atu verifika se mak koalia loos.
Konaba ita atu aprende ho krize nee loos duni. Hau sente katak povu Timor aprende buat barak ona ho krize ida nee no sira sei hanoin dala rua molok atu konfia tun sae boot sira nebe buka deit povu bainhira oras too ona atu halao kampanha politika atu foti sira.
Hau mos sente katak ho diskusaun sira hanesan nee mos ita aprende daudaun buat barak.
Maun hau hakarak fo obrigado ba ita nia discusaun, hau hakarak hatutan ba practicalidade systema judicial. Hau concorda ke bele iha usos barak ka termos teknika nebe ita aplica ba termo forensics, mais o ke importante hanesan hau dehan aplicasaun forensincs iha dynamica practica nian. Nune hanesan hau dehan termo forensics iha area krime ka legal nian ita usa mais liu ba hetan evidensia physical nian para hametin evidensia sira seluk ke bele existe hanesan, filmajen ida, ka conversa ida, ka ema nia lia fuan ida. Mais hau han oin kolia aspectos theorias ita la resolve problemas nebe akontese iha Timor mais ke importante liu ita tenki hare ba aplicasaun de bom senso ke deves enquando ita haluha.
Hau hanoin ita hotu iha hanoin ida que hanesan ke PM ou Xanana como Presidente ho sira nia acesso ba informacoes bele hatene sobre distruibuisaun armas nian. Parece coincidensia boot ida ke relatorio comisaun investigasaun ne mos hetan ke iha 23 Marco 2006 Policia nia kilat fahe iha Aileu. Se maka fahe kilat nee, Presidente no PM hatene? Ita hare aspecto seluk kuando PD organisa sira nia manifestasaun iha sunu uma barak, ne dehan ke PD maka sunu uma ou Fernando Lasama involve iha sunu uma?
Por caso ita bele hasai conclusoes barak ita precisa iha evidensia concreto ba lori ba tribunal, salai ita hotu bele lori ema tun sae ba tribunal. Se ne akontese iha Australia ka Amerika sira nia systema Judicial mos la konsege enfrenta accusasoes oin oin mais ke kaso civil ka criminal.
Agora ita hein deit se maka povo fiar iha eleisaun mai nee, Se PD manan hau mos kontente povo hili sira, se FRETILIN manan e Mari sai PM hau mos kontenti Democrasia existe duni iha Timor.
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